The quantum gravity problem that the notion of a quantum state, representing the structure of space-time at some instant, and the notion of the evolution of the state, does not get traction, since there are no real “instants”, is avoided by having initial octonionic geometry embedded in a larger, nonlinear (semi-classical) embedding structure. We detail some of what the quantum HUP is, in terms of deterministic 5-dimensional geometry and show that the projection of 5 dimensions into four is when the octonionic structure kicks in as an emergent gravity phenomenon. The example of such is to consider what would happen if there was an aftermath to a presumed initial causal discontinuous structure, after math being the generation of millions of Planck mass black holes, which would in themselves generate emergent gravity.
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